Comments on: Smoking Ban and Aesthetic Fanaticism http://blog.nedsferatu.com/smoking_ban The Nedsferatu.com Blog Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:58:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: This I Not My Country: September | hell's handmaiden http://blog.nedsferatu.com/smoking_ban#comment-217 This I Not My Country: September | hell's handmaiden Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:04:56 +0000 http://blog.nedsferatu.com/2007/08/02/smoking_ban/#comment-217 [...] Cameron presents Smoking Ban and Aesthetic Fanaticism posted at 1 is A, 2 is B, saying, “Why do smoking bans do more harm than good? Why are [...] [...] Cameron presents Smoking Ban and Aesthetic Fanaticism posted at 1 is A, 2 is B, saying, “Why do smoking bans do more harm than good? Why are [...]

]]> By: nedsferatu http://blog.nedsferatu.com/smoking_ban#comment-175 nedsferatu Mon, 06 Aug 2007 00:00:33 +0000 http://blog.nedsferatu.com/2007/08/02/smoking_ban/#comment-175 Garnet, i feel you're comments on the isolating effects of laws such as these are certainly valid. The law puts up walls between people and encourages an undesirable social segregation. The law uses a chainsaw to address a problem where the delicacy of a scalpel is appropriate. Then again this kind of behavior from the government is not new or surprising in the least. Garnet, i feel you’re comments on the isolating effects of laws such as these are certainly valid. The law puts up walls between people and encourages an undesirable social segregation. The law uses a chainsaw to address a problem where the delicacy of a scalpel is appropriate. Then again this kind of behavior from the government is not new or surprising in the least.

]]> By: Garnet Dawn http://blog.nedsferatu.com/smoking_ban#comment-174 Garnet Dawn Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:48:24 +0000 http://blog.nedsferatu.com/2007/08/02/smoking_ban/#comment-174 Ten years from now, when cancer rates haven't dropped and heart attack statistics still remain at a status quo in Illinois, businesses have closed, IL income tax has been raised to 5%, U-hauls cost far more to leave IL than to enter it, and social conflict has increased...do you think someone will realize IL screwed up with its Smoke Free Illinois Act? SHS bans and insulting smokers seem to help little unimportant people to feel powerful and make Antis rich. Smokers don't live their lives as islands and many non-smokers who are not irritated by tobacco users are having their life styles affected too. I wonder if smoking bans could also be dubbed the "Social Isolation Acts of America"? Garnet Dawn Ten years from now, when cancer rates haven’t dropped and heart attack statistics still remain at a status quo in Illinois, businesses have closed, IL income tax has been raised to 5%, U-hauls cost far more to leave IL than to enter it, and social conflict has increased…do you think someone will realize IL screwed up with its Smoke Free Illinois Act? SHS bans and insulting smokers seem to help little unimportant people to feel powerful and make Antis rich.

Smokers don’t live their lives as islands and many non-smokers who are not irritated by tobacco users are having their life styles affected too. I wonder if smoking bans could also be dubbed the “Social Isolation Acts of America”?

Garnet Dawn

]]> By: nedsferatu http://blog.nedsferatu.com/smoking_ban#comment-169 nedsferatu Sat, 04 Aug 2007 06:41:58 +0000 http://blog.nedsferatu.com/2007/08/02/smoking_ban/#comment-169 Thanks for sharing that Michael. I am a big fan of the English Beat (you may know their song Mirror in the Bathroom); they have a phrase they use often: Love and Unity the Only Way. (In today's terms probably Tolerance and Community.) I like to ask myself if something is promoting or taking away from Love and Unity and why. Are we treating people like people or are we dividing ourselves and pitting ourselves against each other. The truth is often found in the answer to these questions. Thanks for sharing that Michael. I am a big fan of the English Beat (you may know their song Mirror in the Bathroom); they have a phrase they use often: Love and Unity the Only Way. (In today’s terms probably Tolerance and Community.) I like to ask myself if something is promoting or taking away from Love and Unity and why. Are we treating people like people or are we dividing ourselves and pitting ourselves against each other. The truth is often found in the answer to these questions.

]]> By: Michael J. McFadden http://blog.nedsferatu.com/smoking_ban#comment-166 Michael J. McFadden Sat, 04 Aug 2007 06:02:41 +0000 http://blog.nedsferatu.com/2007/08/02/smoking_ban/#comment-166 There are lots of arguments against the silly science that smoking bans are justified by and usually I'd make one of them here. But the substance of this excellent editorial prompts me instead to share an email that was recently sent to one of my yahoo groups by a Californian transplanted to Minnesota: ======== Hello, I'm new here. Arrived from California earlier this year, anxious to experience freedom again, and... well, you know what happened. You guys really have no idea of what you're in for with this smoking ban. The worst consequence of these bans is never discussed, because it can only be experienced. The CA ban was the most polarizing and segregating event in recent CA history, and I've always felt the ban was the original catalyst for the self-centered, bitter culture that exists there today, where people no longer interact with their neighbors. You can't send 1/3 or 1/4 of the population to the "back of the bus" without serious social problems arising. That's the main reason I wanted out of California. It was so full of hate, and truly violent rhetoric against smokers. The smoking ban turned everyone into enemies, and now it's just a culture where everyone looks out for number one. No sense of community, no friendliness, no sense of compassion (don't let media images and words out of San Francisco fool you). And now look what the MN State Govt has done. You can kiss your down-home, "Prairie Home Companion" style of Midwest domestic tranquility goodbye. Ten, fifteen years tops before Minnesotans know what life is like surrounded by people, but with no neighbors or community. The CA ban led to bans in parks, on the beach, and just about everywhere else. It's segregation, which leads to isolated subcultures rather than citizens interacting with each other normally. It WILL happen here if nobody stops it. ======= It's too bad more people aren't able to see things like this before they vote bans into being. Michael J. McFadden Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains" http://pasan.TheTruthIsALie.com There are lots of arguments against the silly science that smoking bans are justified by and usually I’d make one of them here. But the substance of this excellent editorial prompts me instead to share an email that was recently sent to one of my yahoo groups by a Californian transplanted to Minnesota:

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Hello, I’m new here. Arrived from California earlier this year,
anxious to experience freedom again, and… well, you know what happened.

You guys really have no idea of what you’re in for with this smoking
ban. The worst consequence of these bans is never discussed, because
it can only be experienced.

The CA ban was the most polarizing and segregating event in recent CA
history, and I’ve always felt the ban was the original catalyst for
the self-centered, bitter culture that exists there today, where
people no longer interact with their neighbors. You can’t send 1/3 or
1/4 of the population to the “back of the bus” without serious social
problems arising. That’s the main reason I wanted out of California.
It was so full of hate, and truly violent rhetoric against smokers.
The smoking ban turned everyone into enemies, and now it’s just a
culture where everyone looks out for number one. No sense of
community, no friendliness, no sense of compassion (don’t let media
images and words out of San Francisco fool you).

And now look what the MN State Govt has done. You can kiss your
down-home, “Prairie Home Companion” style of Midwest domestic
tranquility goodbye. Ten, fifteen years tops before Minnesotans know
what life is like surrounded by people, but with no neighbors or
community.

The CA ban led to bans in parks, on the beach, and just about
everywhere else. It’s segregation, which leads to isolated subcultures
rather than citizens interacting with each other normally. It WILL
happen here if nobody stops it.

=======

It’s too bad more people aren’t able to see things like this before they vote bans into being.

Michael J. McFadden
Author of “Dissecting Antismokers’ Brains”
http://pasan.TheTruthIsALie.com

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